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to be honest
August 21, 2011 07:05PM



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after going trough the first two pages of the audio section, the ratio of shit rappers to good rappers is fucking unreal!!.

people giving out about how ihh isn't successful its because for every ten horribly bad rappers we have one decent one.

i seriously think there needs to be an overhaul in ihh, weed out the shit rappers. the time for telling people out straight has never been more needed, i remember when i was starting off if i posted a shit track id be told it was shit, that made me keep working until i got good.

nowadays if someones posting shit songs their song gets ignored or someone just posts an in joke in their thread. this means they just keep posting really bad songs over and over again with no progress, its about time people started being assholes again.

i have faith that there's enough good rappers to make this scene progress, but i also realize there's enough shit ones to make us take two steps back each time

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August 21, 2011 07:08PM



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August 21, 2011 07:19PM

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August 21, 2011 07:55PM



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well ive made a start at it now. i hope others follow suit. check out the audio section and just be honest with these people!!!

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August 21, 2011 08:09PM



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Re: to be honest
August 21, 2011 08:23PM

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We have gone over this loads of times.The reason there is not honest feedback on this forum is because everybody just sucks up to their friends. It's the way it's always been. People will slate a new artist who is unknown, but if an established act puts up a shit track, there will be a million back slapping comments - "top quality", "taking it to another level", "getting better every track", "one of the best rappers in the country" etc. There's no parity, so it's never going to work.


Also most of the shit acts on here never get heard by anyone anyway, so blaming them is just looking for a scapegoat. There's a trillion more significant reasons why Irish hiphop hasn't made a major breakthrough. There's a lot more shit Dublin indie rock bands than there is good ones, but it's not a problem for them. Yes, spotlight given to awful rappers does make it more difficult for Irish artists to be taken seriously, but people posting a couple of tracks in the audio forum, just trying to learn their craft, are hardly the cause of the problem.


As I have always said, everybody is responsible for their own path in music. Concentrate on getting your own material to the best level it can be and don't concern yourself with what everybody else is doing.
Re: to be honest
August 22, 2011 12:04AM


Duan Wrote:
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> We have gone over this loads of times.The reason
> there is not honest feedback on this forum is
> because everybody just sucks up to their friends.
> It's the way it's always been. People will slate a
> new artist who is unknown, but if an established
> act puts up a shit track, there will be a million
> back slapping comments - "top quality", "taking it
> to another level", "getting better every track",
> "one of the best rappers in the country" etc.
> There's no parity, so it's never going to work.
>
>
> Also most of the shit acts on here never get heard
> by anyone anyway, so blaming them is just looking
> for a scapegoat. There's a trillion more
> significant reasons why Irish hiphop hasn't made a
> major breakthrough. There's a lot more shit Dublin
> indie rock bands than there is good ones, but it's
> not a problem for them. Yes, spotlight given to
> awful rappers does make it more difficult for
> Irish artists to be taken seriously, but people
> posting a couple of tracks in the audio forum,
> just trying to learn their craft, are hardly the
> cause of the problem.
>
>
> As I have always said, everybody is responsible
> for their own path in music. Concentrate on
> getting your own material to the best level it can
> be and don't concern yourself with what everybody
> else is doing.


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Re: to be honest
August 22, 2011 01:36AM

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Duan Wrote:
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> We have gone over this loads of times.The reason
> there is not honest feedback on this forum is
> because everybody just sucks up to their friends.
> It's the way it's always been. People will slate a
> new artist who is unknown, but if an established
> act puts up a shit track, there will be a million
> back slapping comments - "top quality", "taking it
> to another level", "getting better every track",
> "one of the best rappers in the country" etc.
> There's no parity, so it's never going to work.
>
>
> Also most of the shit acts on here never get heard
> by anyone anyway, so blaming them is just looking
> for a scapegoat. There's a trillion more
> significant reasons why Irish hiphop hasn't made a
> major breakthrough. There's a lot more shit Dublin
> indie rock bands than there is good ones, but it's
> not a problem for them. Yes, spotlight given to
> awful rappers does make it more difficult for
> Irish artists to be taken seriously, but people
> posting a couple of tracks in the audio forum,
> just trying to learn their craft, are hardly the
> cause of the problem.
>
>
> As I have always said, everybody is responsible
> for their own path in music. Concentrate on
> getting your own material to the best level it can
> be and don't concern yourself with what everybody
> else is doing.





There's your big fat




You'd swear irishhiphop.com is the first place people go to looking for new music. Rap Ireland has nearly 10,000 fans on facebook, So if they have any Irish hip hop news/ music worth actually writing an article on then it will be distributed onto the news feed of 10,000 people, most of whom probably check their facebook at least once a day. Bigger picture and all that.

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August 22, 2011 08:54AM



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^^ what he said, the audio section isnt where you should be findin new artists to listen to, it never should be. Alot of the people in there are beginners lookin for feedback on a tune or two which is grand but usin that place as an established artist
Is very rarley seen!
I wish kounture kulture still had that top 10 chart goin, that was good for findin new artists

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Re: to be honest
August 22, 2011 09:28AM


Everything in the audio section should be certified as either Tuneage or Tunnagee
Re: to be honest
August 22, 2011 10:14AM

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i have to kinda disagree with the "back-patting" thing. ill admit i never comment on someones stuff if i hear it and dont like it - but thats mostly down to me thinking who the fuck am i to be giving someone advice like. but if a new person comes along with deadly track and ive never even heard of them before i have no problem letting them know their stuff is the business - case in point being Dlyrious. never heard of the chap up until a couple of months ago but i havent heard a bad track from him.

but ill admit im 90% more likley to not even bother going into a thread unless i know the person is someway decent.






Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/22/2011 09:19PM by Shea O'Hara.
Re: to be honest
August 22, 2011 07:14PM


wen ur honest people claim ur trollin

the thing is half the people everyone thinks are amazin are fukin absolutely ballix

the beats r terrible and thers no depth to the lyrics

if someone makes another tune about gettin their heart broken im gonna gouge my own eyes out
Re: to be honest
August 22, 2011 07:44PM


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> Everything in the audio section should be
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lol +2
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August 22, 2011 08:18PM



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lot of valid points made but i still stand by the audio section point, i remember when you could go into the audio section and listin to countless

good tracks with a few shit ones, but i think now the good stuff is being lost in a sea of shit. i think the more the bad acts are discouraged the

better the audio section will be, and over all bring a bit more interest to this site, and overall make it a better place for networking and exposure

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Re: to be honest
August 22, 2011 10:52PM



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The reason rapireland have traffic is they post gossip about nicky minaj and lil wayne lawsuits. Don't blame them cos thats what i'd do as well. Bet if you post some pointless hip hop gossip you get 10k clickthroughs post an IHH track you get 100.

I've been posting feedback on most of the audio section for 4 years. Usually people get better. Most ppl are just amateurs having a go. They're not taking it that seriously. It's not a channel for proper promotion just feedback. You want that set up a blog and curate it properly.

Most IHH is made for rap heads which is a very small proportion of people in this country. Most of it isn't ever going to go over with the irish public in general. The tiny few doing pop don't have good enough production to be taken seriously. The only other avenue is hotpress, nialler9, indie music critic brigade and again only certain stuffs going to appeal to them like infomatics, sertone, MJEX. I think thats a beat quality issue again. Unless it's slick and in someway current it won't get noticed outside 'the scene'. The DFI mixtapes are great but too many established rappers only doing mixtapes over random instrumentals or wack original beats. Sure its hard make money if your Republic of Loose or Fight Like Apes cos the countries so small people might as well do what they like nobodies getting rich off it.

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Re: to be honest
August 23, 2011 01:22AM



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> The reason rapireland have traffic is they post
> gossip about nicky minaj and lil wayne lawsuits.
> Don't blame them cos thats what i'd do as well.
> Bet if you post some pointless hip hop gossip you
> get 10k clickthroughs post an IHH track you get
> 100.
>
> I've been posting feedback on most of the audio
> section for 4 years. Usually people get better.
> Most ppl are just amateurs having a go. They're
> not taking it that seriously. It's not a channel
> for proper promotion just feedback. You want that
> set up a blog and curate it properly.
>
> Most IHH is made for rap heads which is a very
> small proportion of people in this country. Most
> of it isn't ever going to go over with the irish
> public in general. The tiny few doing pop don't
> have good enough production to be taken seriously.
> The only other avenue is hotpress, nialler9, indie
> music critic brigade and again only certain stuffs
> going to appeal to them like infomatics, sertone,
> MJEX. I think thats a beat quality issue again.
> Unless it's slick and in someway current it won't
> get noticed outside 'the scene'. The DFI mixtapes
> are great but too many established rappers only
> doing mixtapes over random instrumentals or wack
> original beats. Sure its hard make money if your
> Republic of Loose or Fight Like Apes cos the
> countries so small people might as well do what
> they like nobodies getting rich off it.
>
> /whatswrongwiththescenereply

i agree with alot of this but i dont think this site gets enough credit nor do people recognise its potential enough to make it as good as it should be

these lads just prove my point!!
August 23, 2011 12:58AM



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mc dubh aint got shit on these

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Re: ahahaha please watch these lads
August 23, 2011 01:02AM



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> after going trough the first two pages of the
> audio section, the ratio of shit rappers to good
> rappers is fucking unreal!!.
>
> people giving out about how ihh isn't successful
> its because for every ten horribly bad rappers we
> have one decent one.






Good idea, now we can have two sections of shite rappers.


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August 23, 2011 01:14AM



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hey these are a pure example of what im talkin about!!!! you think they would be still making these shit tracks if someone had have told them to drop the yank accents and yank slang they just prove my point!! infact im going to change the thread title to just that

Re: these lads just prove my point!!
August 23, 2011 08:08AM

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if its an example of what you were talking about in the other thread, why not just post it in there instead of making another thread about shit Irish hiphop?


Re: these lads just prove my point!!
August 23, 2011 08:43AM



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because i was drunk........ now im hungover... please merge them

Re: ahahaha please watch these lads
August 23, 2011 09:26AM


Nate Dogg Wrote:
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> hey these are a pure example of what im talkin
> about!!!! you think they would be still making
> these shit tracks if someone had have told them to
> drop the yank accents and yank slang they just
> prove my point!! infact im going to change the
> thread title to just that


hold on, so what are you saying is that the track is shit because of the yank accent?

accent aint got shit to do with this track being dirt.

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Re: to be honest
August 23, 2011 09:59AM



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The ratio of shit rappers doesn't matter a fuck. You can bet the ratios probably worse in the UK and the US cos it's mainstream and more people have a go. Nobody cares about tunes posted on message boards in 2011. 90pc of people on Facebook and Youtube. The audio doesn't matter as anything other than a feedback device. People do give feedback most of the time if the person sticks around they'll get plenty of it. So it serves its function. Not like it's going to make bad rappers into good rappers anyway, or make delusional people less delusional. That's up to the person themselves to a large extent.

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Re: to be honest
August 23, 2011 11:56AM


you mean people actually use the audio forum on here?
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August 23, 2011 12:22PM


I have to disagree with shapey that its a beat quality issue at all as thats more of a personal taste thing. Most artists whos beats you say you liike sound like garbage to me.The artist ya gave examples of all have a crossover appealinto other genres. That seems be the best way to go

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Re: to be honest
August 23, 2011 01:31PM


no the beats r just bad, it isn't a musical taste thing its lack of musical depth

groups like the informatics have crossover appeal because they actually make good music that transcends genres

if your attempting to make crossover music in the hope that this is the pathway to stardom, then you've already failed

as a musician you should have enough faith in your music to follow the path it takes you, despite popular opinion

but sure what do I know I'm just another broke artist, but I do know not watering down what I do makes me happy
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August 23, 2011 08:43PM



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It's not a just a matter of taste Nugget. If everybodys production was on the level of Infomatics or MJEX they'd get taken way more seriously by the newspapers, blogs and non-rap heads in general. It isn't so they don't. I could go in on why peoples production choice is shit but since so many people use them i'd only end up get in trouble if i go into detail!

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Re: to be honest
August 23, 2011 09:07PM

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> I could go in on why peoples production choice is shit but
> since so many people use them i'd only end up get
> in trouble if i go into detail!

I know who you are talking about... I believe you told me in Burger King after Rakim, I agreed with you Very Happy


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August 23, 2011 09:49PM


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> It's not a just a matter of taste Nugget. If
> everybodys production was on the level of
> Infomatics or MJEX they'd get taken way more
> seriously by the newspapers, blogs and non-rap
> heads in general. It isn't so they don't. I could
> go in on why peoples production choice is shit but
> since so many people use them i'd only end up get
> in trouble if i go into detail!

why would you get in trouble?
for an opinion?
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August 23, 2011 10:26PM



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Cos it's not talked about. You only hear very vague criticism of Ratmam beats. I've been hearing them for years and I'm sorry I'm not a good rapper and that may disqualify me as having an opinion on the matter but anybody who's used his beats is fucking tone deaf. So most people. That feels better been wanting to say it for years. Defence is usually 'ah sure thats a fun pop track!' No it's not it's fucking shit. I'm not anti-pop. I'm anti-shit production.

I've got like 5 more but i'm going to run into these people in real life and the people who use their tracks and they're going to think i'm a dick.

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